Sex after death: women protest Farewell Intercourse law

Proposed law allowing Egyptian men to have sex with their dead wives 'would be a catastrophe'

LAST UPDATED AT 16:01 ON Thu 26 Apr 2012

EDITOR'S NOTE, 3 MAY: Since this story was published, initial claims that it was a hoax have been borne out. Al Arabiya has quoted a number of denials by Egyptian MPs, and Samy Mahran, Secretary General of Parliament, said: "I have never heard of anything in this regard."

A DRAFT Egyptian law that would allow a husband to have sex with the corpse of his wife up to six hours after her death is being contested by a national woman's group, reports al Arabiya News.
 
The proposal, dubbed the 'Farewell Intercourse' law, is currently going through the majority Islamist parliament. Fighting it is the National Council for Women (NCW), which says the law "marginalises" and "undermines" the status of women in Egypt.
 
The group is also contesting another draft law that would permit a 14-year-old girl to marry. Currently the age limit is 18.

Egyptian journalist and TV anchor, Jaber al-Qarmouty, lent his support to the NCW protest. "It is a catastrophe to give the husband such a right! Has the Islamic trend reached that far? Is there really a draft law in this regard? Are there people thinking in this manner?" he asked.

He was not alone in finding the proposal unbelievable. On Twitter, several users have asked whether it is a hoax. But reputable Egyptian news sites continue to report the story.

The controversial notion that a man has the right to intercourse with his dead wife emerged in May 2011 when a Moroccan cleric, Zamzami Abdul Bari, claimed marital rights were still "valid even after death".

A woman should be entitled to the same privilege with her dead husband, he added.
 
Egyptian columnist Amro Abdul Samea reports in the newspaper al-Ahram that the head of the NCW, Dr. Mervat al-Talawi, has written to parliament contesting the introduction of both laws. · 

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So: if this law is passed in Egypt, sex with your dead wife will be okay, (God approves) but consensual sex between living adults of the same sex is offensive to God and punishable by beating, imprisonment, or even death? Unbelievably warped and twisted.

i don't see why post-death sex should be a problem -- if you're dead, you won't care what happens to you. 

of course, the fact that it only works one way is pretty depressing. 

after she's dead you could get her to do all those things she never agreed to when she was alive, you know?

I'm surprised at the artificial limit of only 6 hours. Anyone OK with the idea AT ALL should be allowed to use their judgement - 6 hours, a couple days, a week, even a month or two - what's the difference?  The degree of rot of the deceased's woman's corpse still wouldn't begin to compare to the degree of rot in the soul of a man who chooses to do this.

This is why WE are the Infidels..We;re just a bunch of party poopers.We misconstrue the true meaning of ' a stiffy'..I hope they all get over here real soon and straighten us all out.I want to sell egg timers that last 6 hours and see some real arab intimacy.

This is forbidden in islam, just thought you should know & it's just sick and disgusting

"Fighting it is the National Council for Women (NCW), which says the law "marginalises" and "undermines" the status of women in Egypt."You think? My dear NCW, you ain't seen marginalizing yet! As for 'status', don't worry your pretty little heads about it. You won't have any status. There...feel better! Isn't the Muslim Brotherhood great!

The Bangles might now be influenced to cut a new hit.

Fine, if this is true can you show an Original Source from the Egyptian parliament who confirms that there is indeed such a law being discussed.

The original article on this topic was written today by a well known Hosni Mobarak supporter on Egypt's state-owned Al Ahram newspaper who isn't known for his love of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The basis of Islamic law is Koran and not a Moroccan Pseudo Scholar. The media should exercise fact checking before spreading these baseless rumor. Why on earth someone whether Muslim, Christian or Atheist even think of having sex rather than trying to save someone or bereaving a loss. Both who asked this question to the fake scholar and the so called scholar are depraved. 

Islam pays emphasis on burying the dead body fast, holding back someones remains for upto six hours for such depravity will be unimaginable. Secondly, according to many Muslim traditions - when a wife dies, the worldly relations between husband and wife finish and according to those traditions it isn't allowed for the Muslim man to give her the final ritual bath, which only women can give. On the other hand when a husband dies, the woman has to wait for a 40 days period when she becomes free from that relation. Obviously, the 40 days period is to ensure that if there is a child born, its parentage can be easily established.

Again, Let us for a moment take that someone who died still continues to be legally married to that person (according to this Moroccan pseudo scholar) , does that mean that the dead person need also need to continue doing other duties of the marriage eg. looking after children or is sex the only duty of marriage and well this also poses another question, how will a dead man's wife have intercourse upto six hours after death of the husband when his apparatus won't even function for penetration?

Al Arabiya is a Saudi owned channel which has published this report in English version, do the servant of the two holy mosques as the Saudi King is known personally, have any control over the misinformation spread by it? They talk of Islamophobia while one of their own Satellite Channel publishes news that is worthy of the British Daily Mail?

This is just the most disgusting thing I have EVER heard!  Seriously???  Don't even know what else to say!

 Was it the last problem of Egyptians. Completely nonsense ://

Just because it is okay to do somthing by law does not mean it is God approved.......

these people are not considered muslims for real they might say they are ,and this is not more than an election cycle politics

it is not 40 days it is four months and 10 days that is waht the woman has to wait after her husband dies

Honey, are you digging this as much as I - oh, wait. Waaaait...

I am very surprised at the naïve people believing such rumour to be true, and to believe that Islam actually approves of this, or that the parliament discussed this. 
All Egyptian parliament sessions are aired live on local TV. I dare anyone to link a video of the Parliament session where this law was discussed.

Guess you have trouble reading. A major cleric in Morocco has approved of it and NOW lucky Egyptians can have a go on their dead wives.... the parliment SAYS so. And women can now have their genitals multilated so SEX is no fun for them..... oh... alive no fun and dead either. Great religion there mo....NOT

Will the wife still have to wear the burka while  this 'farewell' is taking place?

Will the new "sharia-based law" also also include his dead goats and sheep? That most beautiful sound that Obama refers to as the call to prayer, might be the wailing  and squealing of Mohammeds personal flock. Ah, the beautiful new "arab/Muslim Spring". Love is in the putrid air.

Baby, why the cold shoulder?

it is too disgusting even to read let alone comment,the depravity of people who utter such rubbish  is beyond imagination!

I love it. Let the entire world know how sick these people are. Oh, and I wonder how proud American leftists must be for supporting the overthrow of Mubarak - what a major victory for Egyptian women! Way to go, sisters.

 Baghdad Bob? Is that you???

 The truth hurts, eh?

Well done, Mr. President.

That's sounds like a great idea, I'm sitting here trying to think of something new for her to do.

 I hope your argument isn't that Muslim men are enlightened, or above treating women with absolute disregard and disrespect.

The burkas Islamic women are forced to wear are obvious, but the invisible burka's Islamic men (?) wear to shield out knowledge and enlightenment is worse. These pigs are a danger to decent people everywhere, Muslim and non Muslim alike.

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Muslim government. Typical of a Muslim country to introduce crazy laws like that. They even have the Egyptian Unique Moustache Association; seen a video of them praising and respecting Hitler because he got rid of the jews. Lame law is lame.

I guess if the dead can vote, they might as well have sex!

Well done, you comment is more than perfect.
Come on people where is your common sense.
Before publishing this kind of ridiculous new you have to make sure of its credibility.

If this were to become a law in Egypt, at least there they'd have no need to worry about any battle on the public funding of contraception.

This "law" makes perfect sense to me.It will now literally give muslim males total control over muslim females from "the cradle to the grave(clothes)." And guess what! If the law passes the muslim apologists in the West will be afraid to even mention it less they "offend" Islam and incur the wrath of the followers of the "religion of peace". Yes, it's okay, go ahead and laugh!

 Pretty funny.

This reflects awfully on the Muslim people.. Good.

Are those following the Ayatollah Khomeni's strictures on not eating goats they've had sexual intercourse with not 'muslims for real'? 

Oh no, not at all. 

The Members of the First U.S. LGBTQ Delegate to Palestine were quite specific: "We can't judge a country by its attitudes towards homosexuals."

Of course they hid "their sexual orientation from their Palestinian
hosts”.

So, no more criticising barbarians for being barbarians.

 You'll never make mullah with that attitude.

If they wouldn't stuff their women into burlap sacks maybe they'd have some clue as to whether they're still breathing or no.

 Can you please send the article's link here i want to read cos i couldn't find on the site..
Thanks..

These women just need to learn to shut up and take it!

Yep!

I say these women need to take it as it comes and not get do bent over something that might never happen. I think the bigger issue here are jealous women who are unset that there husband will be having sex without them.

i dnt no which part of the historical law sez dat we cn av sex with a dead body! man, are we men dat desperate?...erm no we ent really!
and frankly to be fair, (luckily) islam allows us to marry upto 4 times or av 4 wives -Eygption men in consideration ey!

this is your religion, so you should be proud of it :-)

you are a liar, and this is your religion---You should be proud of it :-)
Isn't your prophet did the same thing with dead women !!!! 

Isn't your prophet had sex with seven year old girl !!! 
I think Islam said that you can marry up to 4 women and divorce any of them to get a new one which make it easier than go for shopping.
Islam is terrorism, it teaches you to hate all the people, and if you like people you are now against your religion which tell you to kill people who are not muslim

Well its based on several ahadits:

Narrated by Ibn Abbas:
“I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that
she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin
(grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of
Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib”… The prophet was referring to
Fatima , the mother of Ali.
The Arabic scholar Demetrius explains :
“The Arabic word used here for “slept” is “Id’tajat,” and literally
means “lay down” with her. It is often used to mean, “lay down to have
sex.” Muhammad is understood as saying that because he slept with her
she has become like a wife to him so she will be considered like a
“mother of the believers.” This will supposedly prevent her from being
tormented in the grave, since Muslims believed that as people wait for
the Judgment Day they will be tormented in the grave. “Reduce the
pressure” here means that the torment won’t be as much because she is
now a “mother of the believers” after Muhammad slept with her and
“consummated” the union.”

ISLAM IS A DEATH CULT!!

Amateur copy paste Islam experts, here is my copy paste reply to your innuendo:

If you look at the picture below, the word closest word is وضعwhich is changed grammatically in the Arabic text but it only means ‘lay down’ not ‘lay down to have sex’ and you can see there is no Arabic word for intercourse is mentioned through out the text. This again point towards the hypocrisy of the crusaders. 
Now someone may say that this is a case for a female, so intercourse must have taken place. Actually Fatima which is the wife of Abu Talib is mother of Hazrat Ali (R.A), now If Ali (R.A) that his cousin had sex with his mother, he couldn’t have faith in Muhammad (peace be upon him) as a Prophet as nobody would like a person who have sex with his mother when she is ‘dead’. Actually, Prophet Just lay down for a while not on her but on the ground to make the test easy for her.

 Or of a religion that would allow it. Our government and the left insist that these people are just like us and that we should embrace them as brothers??? WTF???

these people are plainly SICK. people from these countries should never reach western world.

 
A decade later and I still have two simple
questions puzzling me:

First question: Did Osama Ben Laden attack the USA because the latter is a free and democratic Christian
country?Hitler who is known to have killed 6 millions Jews what was his religion?

Ever since the Munich Olympics, 9/11, the cartoon riots, the murder of Australian tourists, and dozens more atrocities committed by Muslims throughout the world, it is clear that there is no group anywhere more deserving of the loathing of civilized people than Muslims.

This is just the latest insanity to come out of their diseased brains, but there will be many more before they are made harmless.

You people are a bunch of idiots.  This is a hoax.

Gives a whole new meaning to : LAID TO REST......  Sick muslims and their evil so called religion to come up with these

Brothers, if non-muslims disagree on this issue how much more those who are muslims which will be affected by this law, as we can see from the reality that many true muslims especially womens are against it, because they know more about what is haram. It seems not good to talk about religion if our purpose is to contend from each other. Much better, if we have to talk about respect on humanity, remember humanity is still the best religion. 

There is a new channel on US tv, Investigation Discovery, on which true crimes are re-enacted. For the very first time I learnt that there is a sexual perversion /deviation where men ( so far only men have been portrayed )
engage in sexual acts with their victim's corpse. It is indeed strange to read that ANY country could be considering legalising this degenerate and repulsive practice.  

Keeping the fact that this is just bizzare aside, True even after death the couple are still in relationship, However, A husband cannot have sex with his wife , WITHOUT her Permission. That My friend in ISlam is called RAPE!  some one please teach the scholors a thing or two about islam

what kind of deranged and perverted individual would stoop that low, guesse "strange things happen" would be aptly applied here and cultural oddity is not a myth

A quick search for this story in Arabic reveals only links on mischief minded Egyptian secularist websites. Those "Reputable Arabic news sites" are just sore losers & sycophants of the defeated secularist tyranny.

The prime reason for the islamic rule on burying the dead ASAP was to obviate this... err.. proclivity. 

 This is a hoax, perpetrated by the anti-religious minority of Egypt, who have been recently kicked out of power.

 This is a hoax and only an idiot could believe such a thing. This story was cooked up by the Mubarak stooge Amr Abdel Samea and has already been refuted by Media Matters

Also why the deception with the picture? Are all those devout looking women really protesting this nonexistent law??

I think it is to understand by old tradition when womens have been killed and layed byside theyr husband allready dead in order to keep the liaison forewer into the other world after dead. It is based on a deeply understanding that only men are counting, the woman is good as a beauty and a willing workforce. Ah, I forgothen the rhole to bring son's in this world. If the first child is a dogther, it is a shame for each real profund moslem.

No, the present human rights has not allready reached the north of africa and the near east.

Hitler's family have been christs. But what kind of religion has the Bush Clan? They let obiviously killed as much as Hitler during his government period..

 I'm surprised at the stupidity of people who consider this farcical news report to be fact. If some shitstain claimed that Muslims kill and eat babies, the godly christian morans would not only believe it but some of them would also try to come up with some fabricated Muslim scripture supporting the lies.

Yeah, and I guess you are gonna say that because Hitler was a Christian, we liked him too,eh? We kicked his ass, and we still have more, a$$hole.

yeah, and we killed both of them.

 I'm not sure what your point is. Lying about other religions, attributing the most outrageous falsehoods to them and misrepresenting their beliefs and practices is a longstanding Christian tradition. In recent years with the loss in political power, the main Christian institution i.e. the Catholic Church has even been forced to acknowledge their past lies ( For example search for "St. Simon of Trent "). Basically in Christianity, if you don't like any given group for whatever reason, you can claim that they are satan himself in human form and then you can commit all sorts of atrocities against them without any guilt. This pattern has been repeated again and again throughout Christian history. Whether you "like Hitler" or not does not figure into it at all.

 this is an April Fools joke surely...  anyone who would believe this to be real must be a fu**ing idiot...

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