Washington Post slated over Palin’s climate rant

Peter Simmons - you are a denialist: no amount of evidence persuades you. You can't deal in evidence or reason, all you have is the lowest form of argument - abuse. You don't even know anything about the people (me included) upon whom you heap abuse. But we know a lot about you, and you stand as an exemplar for how it's a waste of time trying to find a reasonable response from minds long ago deranged by the drugs at all those hippie parties. But the more you carry on with that silliness, the more evidence will put out there for those who have reasonable minds. So, for readers who are interested in FACTS rather than your rabid nonsense, here are a few more. By the early 1970s the global cooling trend was well established, and many scientists saw this as the precursor to a new Ice Age. Of course, those scientists who were around then who have since jumped on the Global Warming bandwagon, are desperate to cover this up. [Go on, Peter, challenge me to provide evidence, and that will be an eye-opener]. So, for example, don't get your facts from a crummy source such as Wikipedia, where entries are written by warmista partisans seeking to bury the facts, but go back to contemporary original documents - letters, journal articles, conference proceedings etc., which cannot be denied or explained away. In January 1972, geologists George Kukla of the Czechoslovakian Academy of Sciences and Robert Matthews of Brown University convened a working conference of top European and American investigators in Providence, Rhode Island, to discuss "The Present Interglacial, How and When will it End?" They summarized their results in "Science" (October 1972). They wrote to President Nixon December 3, 1972. "Dear Mr. President: Aware of your deep concern with the future of the world, we feel obliged to inform you on the results of the scientific conference held here recently. The conference dealt with the past and future changes of climate and was attended by 42 top American and European investigators. We enclose the summary report published in Science and further publications are forthcoming in Quaternary Research. The main conclusion of the meeting was that a global deterioration of climate, by order of magnitude larger than any hitherto experience by civilized mankind, is a very real possibility and indeed may be due very soon. The cooling has natural cause and falls within the rank of processes which produced the last ice age. This is a surprising result based largely on recent studies of deep sea sediments. Existing data still do not allow forecast of the precise timing of the predicted development, nor the assessment of the man's interference with the natural trends. It could not be excluded however that the cooling now under way in the Northern Hemisphere is the start of the expected shift. The present rate of the cooling seems fast enough to bring glacial temperatures in about a century, if continuing at the present pace..."

Kevin, the CIA may say a lot of things, I don't tend to value them as an authority on climate, kidnapping foreign nationals and imprisoning them yes, climate no. The CIA have never been involved in UEA. What's the matter, fed up with your rightwingnut Fox diet? Or just wanting to argue with non-Americans? I remember it differently, the media pick up on a lot of issues and inflate them for five minutes and then drop them. This was one of those. Though, having said that, there IS still a possibility that an ice age will appear, we are after all overdue one if the calibration of past ice ages is accurate [that's the bit of science the idiots of the media and CIA were getting excited about]. The UK could easily become ice bound in winter despite global warming since the Atlantic conveyer [fuelled by the Gulf Stream] slowed by around 230% in the last decade due [it is believed in the scientific community] by the increased amount of arctic melt fresh water pouring into the North Atlantic. None of which is relevent to the issue of Pallin who doesn't know weather from climate. Perhaps you don't either. Just go back to your denialista websites where everyone is mates and you can all chuckle in your unintelligent way at the rest of the world being taken in by fiendish foreign scientists and their dupes. It's probably all a Stalinist plot.

Awww, kevin. I love that commenters on the First Post know each other's age. It's quite intimate here.

Peter Simmons - if you keep writing such drivel, then folks will rise to the bait. "No scientists ever said that" - what utter rot! You, for one, are old enough to remember that global cooling was a mainstream scientifically held position in the 1960s and early 1970s - or were you so stoned that you didn't notice? Well, here's something to consider - the CIA report of 1974, "A Study of Climatological Research as it Pertains to Intelligence Problems", which reported the consensus position of dangerous global cooling: "The western world's leading climatologists have confirmed recent reports of a detrimental global climatic change...A forecast by the University of Wisconsin projects that the earth's climate is returning to that of the neo-boreal era...Climate is now a critical factor...The climate of the neo-boreal time period has arrived...Since the late 1960s, a number of foreboding climatic predictions has appeared in various climatic, meteorological, and geological periodicals, consistently following one of the following themes...A global climatic change was underway...This climatic change would create worldwide agriculture failures in the 1970s...There are three basic schools or philosophies of climatology. The first is centered around Professor H. H. Lamb, who is currently the Director of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in the United Kingdom...the researchers of the CLIMAP group...hypothesize that the change from an interglacial to glacial time period could take place in less than 200 years...Scientists are confident that unless man is able to effectively modify the climate, the northern regions, such as Canada, the European part of the Soviet Union, and major areas in northern China, will again be covered with 100 to 200 feet of ice and snow...In the summer of 1973 the Wisconsin Plan for Climatic research was presented to the National Security Council...The Wisconsin forecast suggests that the world is returning to the climatic regime that existed...[in the] Little Ice Age...By the fall of 1973 the Office or Research and Development (ORD) had obtained sufficient evidence to alert the Agency analysts that forecasts of an ongoing global climate change were reasonable and worthy of attention...the principal investigators representing the various research approaches convened in San Diego in April 1974...by the second day a consensus was reached on the following fundamental issues:
-A global climatic change is taking place.
-We will not soon return to the climate patterns of the recent past...

CONCLUSIONS
Leaders in climatology and economics are in agreement that a climatic change is taking place...Assessing the impact of climatic change on major nations will, in the future, occupy a major portion of the Intelligence Community's assets..."

A face without a trace of intelligence! Yet another dumbarse who doesn't know the difference between climate and weather. But you don't have to know anything to shoot defenceless creatures from aircraft like the lipstick pig does.

jayprime - you have proof that the climate change scientists at UEA were claiming we were heading into an ice age twenty years ago? No, thought not. That was a media scare created out of a lack of understanding of science and what it was saying. No scientists ever said that. But carry on recycling the same old lies, it's all you have.

"Palin's claim that she has "always believed that policy should be based on sound science""
Yeah! said Sarah. The answers are in those accoustics things.

Sarah Palin does not buy snake-oil, junk science, or doctored data; nor does she bow to the winds of prevailing political correctness. What she does do quite valiantly is express the views of the ordinary people in the U.S. heartland.