Did birds cause US helicopter to crash in Norfolk marshland?

Experts say bird may have been sucked into engines of low-flying Pave Hawk before it plummeted to ground

LAST UPDATED AT 09:20 ON Thu 9 Jan 2014

THE US military helicopter that crashed on the north Norfolk coast killing all four servicemen onboard, may have struck a bird, aviation experts say. 

The victims of the crash were named yesterday as Captain Sean Ruane, Captain Christopher S Stover, technical sergeant Dale E Mathews and staff sergeant Afton M Ponce. All four were part of  the US Airforce's 48th Fighter Wing based at RAF Lakenheath.

Captain Ruane was described as "an experienced pilot", but it is not known if he or Captain Stover was at the controls of the HH-60G Pave Hawk when it crashed just after 7pm on Tuesday, the Daily Mail says.

A coroner has visited the site and given clearance for the bodies of the four servicemen to be removed, Sky News reports. That operation  will take some time as investigators "have to take care not to disturb evidence that may form part of their probe".

The Mail says police are investigating whether a flock of geese wintering at a Norfolk wildlife reserve may have caused the crash. There is speculation that the low-flying helicopter may have disturbed the birds, causing one or more of them to be sucked into the aircraft's engines.

Aviation expert Chris Yates told the paper: "It's definitely a possibility – it could potentially be a bird strike."

Residents of Cley-next-the-Sea who heard the stricken helicopter before it crashed into marshland have described a "heavy and very unusual" sound.

The idea that the Pave Hawk may have been downed by a bird strike was backed up by Craig Hoyle, defence editor at Flightglobal.  "They were carrying out a low flying exercise in an area where there are lots of ducks and geese, which means a bird strike is possible, Hoyle told the Mail. "Birds could definitely take an aircraft like this down, either by being sucked into the engine or even crashing through the canopy and knocking out the pilot".

As the investigation into the crash gets underway, tributes were paid to the four men from RAF Lakenheath who died.

The Mail says Captain Ruane had "fallen in love with Britain" after moving to the UK with his wife, Rachel. The couple's first child, Liam, was born in Britain and the couple liked Norfolk so much they chose to live in a rented farmhouse rather than on the military base.

Captain Ruane's father, Michael, told the Mail that his son was fascinated by British history and spent his free time visiting castles and cathedrals. His widow is "devastated" by the loss of her husband, Michael Ruane said.

Some roads around Cley-next-the-Sea will remain closed until Monday while police work alongside British and American military specialists to establish what happened. · 

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Why was the helicopter carrying live ammunition on a training flight?

The Army dö live Fire training not just bfa all the time

Watched a program on helicopters before and it showed you how they are trained to land a helicopter without the engines working
And I could be wrong but havnt these got 2 engines so that would mean 2 air intakes thats if im right so would have to be 2 birds like I say could be wrong but if you look at it like I have it looks real dodgy to me here goes
It was brought down by bird (birds)
One could have gonevthrough the screen (thought the screen on these was bullet proof)
And no black box of corse
And live ammo
Not looking good is it realy

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